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On Sunday, Judge Jeanine hosted David Kennedy and Steven Rogers to debate the current controversy surrounding Apple’s refusal to comply with a court order demanding the corporation to develop tools to hack into the phone of one of the San Bernardino terrorists. The problem is, the encryption of the iPhone 6 was over-engineered to a point that the tools necessary to break into the phone do not currently exist. If Apple complies, then the encryption security for all Apple phones is compromised. Even if Apple were able to successfully guard the new tool, it would set a precedent that the government could order Apple to dedicate resources and personnel to assist them with these hacks in the future.

Steven Rogers, Commissioner of the Nutley Township in New Jersey, argued that privacy doesn’t matter. Rogers served as a Sergeant in the Air Force during the Vietnam War, then later commissioned as a Naval Intelligence officer eventually reaching the rank of Lieutenant Commander. David Kennedy, Founder and CEO of an information security firm, argued the other side – that we must not sacrifice our privacy. Kennedy is a Post-9/11 Marine Corps veteran with two combat deployments.



Watch their exchange, and you’ll probably grimace when Rogers appeals to fear in order to support his position against Apple, saying “Mr. Kennedy, if your family’s name was in a targeting list inside that phone, wouldn’t you be quick to say we’re going to talk about national security and not privacy?”

Kennedy fires back, saying “I wouldn’t sacrifice my privacy or security for those folks I lost.”

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Chris Fox is a Project Coordinator at USC’s Sol Price School of Public Policy, where he recently graduated with an MPA. Prior to that, he was a research fellow at the DHS Center for Risk and Economic Analysis of Terrorism Events (CREATE), where his focus was on homegrown violent extremism. He also holds a BA in Psychology and an AAS in Information Systems Management. Chris served for seven years as a TACP, is a veteran of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and continues to serve as a JTAC Instructor in the Texas Air National Guard.